Kavera
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Post by Kavera on Jul 23, 2004 0:19:58 GMT -5
OK I think it's time for me to come in and add my perspective^^ Now you all so far have been debating on what the bands are really about and how they are based on good and bad standards. The truth is that EVERY band, rapper, or anyone selling an idea has a point in their music, they all have a certain perspective on how things work in life and they have all questioned the way things work. They all are coming from somewhere. So if a band is talking about suicide being the answer, they don't say these things to sell their music they say it to get their ideas across to other people. Different people have to deal with different situations and therefor affects your opinion on how things work, but it's not that they are coming up with random pointless shit, it really means something to them because it is coming from their perspective. As for the rap situation... I don't understand why people hate rap so much. I guess people believe that rap is demoralizing and ignorant, but really like I said before it is all coming from a different perspective, almost like different cultures if you will. Maybe since some people can't sing for shit and they have good beat, wit, and timing skills they are more suited for rap than other genres, but it's not that they are untalented, it's just depends on what talents you have. Now about the wiccan thing it's ok to listen to music that is completly based on your specific relion. I for instance am buddhist (yes) and I listen to all sorts of music based on several religions. It is not moching your religion or contradicting it in anyway. Using the devil or god in a song is probably not implying a christian dedication but merely implying a difference between good and evil. So if a lyric may say "I can't believe this is my devil" they are not implying anything from the bible, they are not implying anything christian be taken in from this song they are not even implying that they are christian, all they are saying is that they are facing a problem an evil, something horrible or drastic. Now Jacob... classical is great. ^^
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Post by Colloff on Jul 23, 2004 11:15:02 GMT -5
deep...wow i didnt think you could do that...congrats.
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Post by Aristotle on Jul 23, 2004 23:17:35 GMT -5
oh my god your buddist!? AWESOME!!! whats your favorite technique? now what about jpop?
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Post by Colloff on Jul 24, 2004 8:10:04 GMT -5
umm...jpop is buddist? Edit by ReD: Read Sarah's post... sucka! ^^
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Post by Aristotle on Jul 25, 2004 14:03:12 GMT -5
goddammit...and i got all excited...
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Post by Duo on Jul 25, 2004 17:56:47 GMT -5
You make a good point sarah, thank you for your insight.... And a couple GOOD reasons why I hate rap, is for one It de-means women.....2, I can't understand anything that they are saying for 3/4 of a song (if you can even call it that) and for 3, I can't relate to what there "singing" about because I don't live in the "hood" or in the "ghetto" and what not, I like music that I can relate to... Or like when I get depressed and I listen to a depressing song I say to myself "Wow, listen to how much worse off they are than me..." and I feel better!
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Kavera
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Post by Kavera on Jul 25, 2004 18:14:53 GMT -5
Well at least your thinking postitive *winks and gives thumbs up* hehe yeah alot rap is degrading to women but... when you think about it alot of women are degrading to men. So really I think we cancle each other out and it's not big deal lol. Som rap is good though... I dunno bout the people in here but I think Snoop dog is straight []D [] []\/[] []D [] []\[] lol and Missy Elliot is good, she is like the only female singer who can sing about sex and not be called a whore. Um... who else is there?
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Post by Colloff on Jul 25, 2004 19:49:46 GMT -5
...wow sarah...you're a wigger =) j/k i dont like rap at all. 1) it takes no talent to rhyme and put down a random beat. 2) same as all of colby's points and 3) it isnt the most familylike music. most of what rappers sing about is sex, and busting a cap in someones ass. the only and i mean ONLY exception is the group "run DMC" who actually had talent, made beats hat didnt sound like they made it in their mom's garage and off some records being scratched, and they sang about relevent stuff such as violence needs to stop, feed the homeless children and give em homes, etc. hell, they even did a re-make of aerosmith's "walk this way"
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Post by Faygo on Jul 25, 2004 19:52:44 GMT -5
Just throwing in a quick comment about rap.
Generally the only rap I listen to is, Insane Clown Posse. And I never really thought about it, but every song that they have about sex, they always make the point to make the women sound the best they can. Their lyrics always about the girl's pleasure, and never anything else. So only some rap is actually that bad.
Then the rest of their songs are about murder. So just because they are insane murderous lunatics, doesn't mean they won't pleasure their woman riiiight.
And Justin, don't make a post about rap ever again. Heheh, just stick to classic rock and let us handle the rap subject.
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Post by Colloff on Jul 25, 2004 19:55:59 GMT -5
nah, ill be okay. i really dont see why ppl sing about murder. it dont seem like THAT much fun to me. i mean i can see the whole eminems mom song becuase that's just messing with him but murder? on a regular basis?
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Kavera
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Post by Kavera on Jul 26, 2004 3:09:35 GMT -5
People sing about murder because it is a very touchy subject, it either makes their listeners think they are crazy wild and outgoing, or vulgar and nasty. Either way they are getting some attention, because some people thinks it's funny and some make a big deal about it promoting violence. Plus angry people just like to say insane things sometimes...
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Post by Colloff on Jul 26, 2004 9:12:26 GMT -5
rrriiigght. then why hasent matt made a song about frogging his little brothers?
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Kavera
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Post by Kavera on Jul 26, 2004 13:34:55 GMT -5
Well maybe he should! (put fingers on temples) Look I am using peer pressure to make you write a song about your brother, you will do it!
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Post by Colloff on Jul 26, 2004 15:36:54 GMT -5
lol matt gets back august 3rd or sumthing like that.
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Post by Aristotle on Jul 26, 2004 17:02:50 GMT -5
oh well. guess what? i think that for one, i kind of like that black rap like singer that sounds good with the huge fuzzy hair. mabey missey elliot. mabey not. rap can be acceptable, but... theres a level that shouldnt be crossed. you shouldnt sing about killing your parents for "just reasons". in fact no killing is just unless its under extreme circumstances or is a punishment by the law or is under vigalante athourity. you just dont kill to kill, and i dont care whether or not its real or sang about. its wrong.
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