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Post by Gox on Jun 18, 2005 10:05:42 GMT -5
Basically all music is copyrighted except for free-to-use sound effects or anything else specified. Infact there's a law which automatically copyrights work produced over the computer. Technically, we hold the rights to our Ssbm videos, and could take action if another site stole them. Of course it's easier to prove that it's copyrighted if I were to get an official license, but it's not necessary. Jacob, I wish it was that way, but tell me what you make of the messege on this torrent site that got shut down. elitetorrents.org/
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Post by Faygo on Jun 18, 2005 10:23:56 GMT -5
Long story short, if you can buy it, go out there and buy it, you cheap ass piece of shit.
If not, then go for it, try downloading it off the net, just make sure you're aware of consequences. Like Naruto, it isn't out in the US other than in Manga form, so for the short while, before Toonami airs it and the DVDs are released, it should be alright to download it in North America.
For things already released, stop being such a bitch, (for example, Jayson, who downloads all his songs off the net and pays no tribute to the artists themselves) go get some money, and go buy the stuff. If you can't get a job yet, then I guess you really don't NEED the music. Why don't you just borrow the CD/DVD from a buddy and burn it on to your computer. Thats completely legal.
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Post by Aristotle on Jun 18, 2005 21:25:14 GMT -5
oh, as for the torrent site, that appears to be questionable. can we be sued for downloading other countries material? anyway subs are perfectly legal until one is made by the company. if its subbed, its a peice of new material.
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Post by Faygo on Jun 18, 2005 21:48:34 GMT -5
oh, as for the torrent site, that appears to be questionable. can we be sued for downloading other countries material? anyway subs are perfectly legal until one is made by the company. if its subbed, its a peice of new material. Jacob, stop pretending that you know stuff. It might be looked down upon to transfer material that we can't get, but the way the law works, if you can't get it anywhere else, like if its been discontinued or not in the country, its alright to download, or if you have the original copies of the material. "Subbing" which is really "Dubbing" our own voices over copywriting material is still stealing because we're using something that doesn't belong to us.
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Post by Duo on Jun 18, 2005 22:07:22 GMT -5
but eric, why do you deny that he knows this stuff? jacobs one of those people that before he does something questionable, IE downloading music and such, hes gonna do extensive legal research into it...and if he didn't do the research...he wouldn't be downloading music...I mean, how can you honestly deny that someone knows something? actually that kinda thing reminds me of this debate me and jacob listened to...but anyway, about downloading things...on a moral stance...do whatever you want...but be very aware of the consequences of what youve done...on a legal stance...I can see where it'd be wrong...I mean hell, If I just payed a couple $100,000 recording an album...I definately don't want people taking my shit for free...id be pretty damn pissed...just the next time you download like an entire album...put your self in the artists shoes...
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Post by Gox on Jun 18, 2005 23:20:48 GMT -5
Indeed, thats what we should try to do.
Researching about international stuff isn't really easy to do. There's such an thin line between what's right and wrong. *is tired*
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Post by Nadie on Jun 18, 2005 23:51:27 GMT -5
I saw the torrent site and just wondered, if for some reason a person (who took part in making the original Naruto) happens to stumble across the Naruto dubbings you guys made...could you guys get sued?
I mean, most of us are 15...but then again, we also fit in the age limit of "juvy".
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Post by Aristotle on Jun 19, 2005 0:34:38 GMT -5
hi! turns out i was wrong. i was trusting the news too much again; here is an article from the actual government site that contains the law books. heres the LAW:
Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of “original works of authorship,” including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize others to do the following:
To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;
To prepare derivative works based upon the work;
To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;
To perform the work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works;
To display the copyrighted work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; and
In the case of sound recordings, to perform the work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.
now, this pretty much ruins the dubs for legality. also, i was wrong and the SUBS (which are subtitled, not the same as dubbed) are also legaly banned. under this, practicaly every fileshare is illegal unless it is given to the p2p network or sold to it, like those expensive companies (napster, itunes, exc.). this includes torrents, http downloads and everything else. obviously the government cannot crack down on the entire problem because the internet itself is out of the governments hands; it is a worldwide service. there is probably an international agreement of some kind about anime and japenese innovations. HOWEVER; there are occurances where judges have granted that filesharing is not a violation of copyright law. therefore, can it not be argued that filesharing is legal because there is no sale? or is it that the loss on the part of the artists only "potential"? and if so, is there any way of sueing someone for a "potential" profit or gain>? who knows how much that could be.
To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;
this clearly does not apply to the filesharing industry.
To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;
this, sadly does....
are copyright laws really even nessesary? it is rediculous to think that they reward innovation and purport them. without them there would be a much greater strain on the inventor to improve the product he or she had invented or the art produced. it would impel them to continue to produce to make more and more money, and to oust the competition. it is clear that we are moving past the CD store. why not progress into the age of the p2p network? god dam, the whining artists should just sell the initial recording data to select filesharing corporations for thier potential profits.
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Post by Nadie on Jun 19, 2005 0:39:20 GMT -5
That answers my question ;D
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Post by Colloff on Jun 19, 2005 9:06:35 GMT -5
okay...i think of a nice way to sum up this debate through my opinion.... DAMN FCC AND COPYRIGHT LAWS! it'd be nice if we had laws simmilar to japan...though i dont know what they are exactly, it'd keep bittorrent sites from being shut down by the GODDAMN FB-FREAKIN-I
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Post by Faygo on Jun 19, 2005 12:46:16 GMT -5
The point is.. I was right, in the first place.
Uhm, and thats about it? Interesting fact, Psychopathic Records (The ICP owned record company) actually supports their fans/juggalos to download their stuff off the net if they don't have the cash to buy it in the store. Good news for me. ^_^
As for everyone's wayward opinions. Grow up.
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Post by Gox on Jun 19, 2005 13:10:06 GMT -5
Heheh..Psychopathic Records is awesome then. And of course when they can have good popularity with their fans, people are more likely to want to support the artists and buy more more merchandise or albums when they DO have the money. I think we're all in agreement on that issue now. So you all can let this thread die, or bring up some other issue. Idc either way.
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Post by Colloff on Jun 19, 2005 17:34:06 GMT -5
okay next debate...should religion be taught in schools? if so, should it be EVERY religion and not just christianity, buddhism, satanism, or whatever the hell?
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Post by meditative on Jun 19, 2005 17:53:49 GMT -5
NO. NO! its totally illegal. it would violate my rights. it would violate the agnostics rights. it would pressure children to be religious. i ask you.... how can you justify teaching religion in schools?
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Post by Faygo on Jun 19, 2005 18:10:08 GMT -5
okay next debate...should religion be taught in schools? if so, should it be EVERY religion and not just christianity, buddhism, satanism, or whatever the hell? High school history is supposed to cover this. Unless your class didn't, I don't think this is a good topic to go off of.
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