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Post by Gox on Jun 4, 2005 22:38:44 GMT -5
As requested, here it is.  It includes politics, philosophy, and any other issue you can take a stance on. (Which is better, Xbox or GCN for example) If something gets too out of hand or comes to a conclusion, we'll move on to another topic. Jacob, Colby, or myself will decide when something goes too far, but any of you are free to bring up a new issue if there's nothing else to say about the old one. I guess I'll start things off with... Who Should Regulate Sex Education? Parents, Teachers, or School Board? (Heard about this on CNN. This should be good.) |
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Post by Duo on Jun 4, 2005 23:33:55 GMT -5
Well, to be honest I think it should be the kids choice...most kids are either told the bare basics of sex ed by their parents or a legal guardian...but if the kids want to learn more for their own good, or if they just don't care, its still their class that THEY have to take...so it should be their decision...but for problem areas such as areas of high STD spread ratings, or high teenage pregnancy rates they should be required to take at least one class on Sex Ed, even if they don't care because these are things that kids NEED to know...and the fact that parents don't want people telling their kids about STDs and stuff like that....it just like the parents saying "HEY I want my kids to get AIDS and be spoutin out babies at the age of 11!!!!!" its truly sad that parents feel the need to take LEGAL action against something that their kids NEED to know for their sake and their partners...AND WINNING!!! that just seems like ignorance on both the parents side, and the laws side
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Post by Colloff on Jun 5, 2005 8:00:45 GMT -5
Well, i knew quite a bit about these things by the time i was 6 or 7 years old (one of my babysitters kids was REALLY perverted AND STILL HAS MY DAMN RAICHU POKEMON CARD! ITS MY FAVORITE) anyway, so i knew the basics when i was like 6 or 7 and i really didnt learn much in any sex ed P.E. class i took. it's really not a matter of taking the class. if kids want to find out, they WILL find out from somebody. hell even if they dont want to find out, it'll still end up coming to their knoledge
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Post by Aristotle on Jun 5, 2005 12:30:50 GMT -5
thats not true. also its really generalized. generalisations are not a good good debate devices, because they leave gaping holes in any arguement based on them unless they are acccepted truths by the ivory tower of sociology.
in rural areas, where there is no real sexual education in practice by anyone, the teens know only what they are told about stds and the like. what they are told can be very correct or INCORRECT. BAD. if not everyone knows about the stuff, then they should be taught or contraception may not even be an option.
a solution might be not enforcing classes. make the class availiable, and have there be a mandatory test on the subject with a syllabus provided to the parents. then the parents can teach it, but if the student fails the test make the class mandatory. the test could be taken as a large grade in grade 8 and the mandatory class for those who failed the test should be in the first semester of the 9th grade.
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Post by Duo on Jun 5, 2005 12:34:47 GMT -5
I guess that would make sense jacob....
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Post by Colloff on Jun 5, 2005 12:35:07 GMT -5
but that's the problem...a HUGE amount of parents are EMBARRASSED to teach their kids about sex. they find it either tactless or uncomfortable. Besides jacob, i'm a kid...youre a kid. would we HONESTLY do something voluntarily? i think that if you make a class like Sex Ed voluntary very few kids will want to take it because we all know what it's like...its boring...if they could have a semi-stimulating (DONT TWIST THAT) video or a SEMI-hot teacher teach sex ed, there might be more kids...they need to make it appealing to the younger generation otherwise it will all be ignored
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Post by Aristotle on Jun 5, 2005 12:38:01 GMT -5
thats why if you failed the class then you would HAVE to take it. it would be the parents fault, and there would no longer be a debate over sex ed. of course its uncomfortable. but the parents have to do it or the schools must take action
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Post by Duo on Jun 5, 2005 12:39:44 GMT -5
lmfao, I don't know about the hot teacher thing...that might get a little uncomfortable for the students...in some instances *wink wink*....but thats what jacobs saying...no matter who they learn it from, they still have to take a test...if they fail, they have to take a class, and then they take the test again...if they can't pass it before 10th grade...then...they have to try it again each year, and if they don't finish it...they don't graduate....
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Post by Aristotle on Jun 5, 2005 12:41:48 GMT -5
very productive. i wonder what shall become of this idea. can we agree that this is the only way to both teach sex ed and not bother parents? if the students fail, its the parents fault.
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Post by Colloff on Jun 5, 2005 13:01:07 GMT -5
no...its not...students can drop out at 16...they just fail and fail until 16...then drop out. simple solution to a simple problem
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Post by Faygo on Jun 5, 2005 13:20:13 GMT -5
It should be up the school systems, and then the
parents should sign a waver for their kids if they don't
like the idea of them having a sexual education class.
That way, if the parents think its a good idea, they
can let them handle it at school, and then reinforce
their kid's knowledge at home. Its an important topic,
seeing how some people's methods of safe sex
was, "Lets fuck, and I'll pull out before I cum." Yeah,
that guy is 16 years old and his parents have to pay
child support for their new granddaughter. What a
welcome into life, a 16 year old mother who doesn't
want you.
Same goes for all the STDs and stuff out there, its
really important that kids know, that if they are going
to save sex, they need to know what love is, or at least
be able to accept the responsibilities. The idea should
be set up, that you shouldn't have sex, unless you can
handle a child, even if you are using a condom. Things
do happen, and theres no reason for good people's
life to be ruined.
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Post by Colloff on Jun 5, 2005 15:23:07 GMT -5
but with the waiver...what if kids parents dont WANT them to know...then it happens all over again...unless they have friends to tell them which USUALLY is the case, but sometimes isnt
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Post by Aristotle on Jun 5, 2005 23:30:39 GMT -5
ok. im not trying to assert an agressive stance here. new idea- should ALL people have an acceptable level of sex ed?
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Post by Faygo on Jun 6, 2005 2:29:46 GMT -5
but with the waiver...what if kids parents dont WANT them to know...then it happens all over again...unless they have friends to tell them which USUALLY is the case, but sometimes isnt
Well, the government should never have more power
over children as their family. So fuck them. ^^
And Jacob, read what I stated above, for the answer
to your super "aggressive" stance. |
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Post by Colloff on Jun 6, 2005 8:30:54 GMT -5
yeah but they DO...that's why kids can't be spanked anymore...and look what it's getting us...kids who take amusement in going out and beating a 50someodd year old homeless guy and killing him! i mean, hell, back 20 or so years ago, shooting squirls, throwing rocks at stray cats was fun...not killing homesless people...i mean that's not even amusing to me...thats because the government DOES have more power over kids than families do...that...or the lesser likely of the two...parents just dont give a damn
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