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Post by Aristotle on Jun 13, 2005 12:12:39 GMT -5
im going to clarify... this is the topic, ok !?!?!? what is more important, the rights of the individual or the good of society? (no gray areas here.)
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Post by Faygo on Jun 13, 2005 15:29:34 GMT -5
First of all. The reason its wrong to have an abortion is because its killing something with a pulse. You smother out its heart beat. Your questions don't make any sense. "How is is wrong? Who judges what's wrong or right?"
Uhm..
If I were to walk up to someone on the street, and slam a hatchet in their face, that'd be murder. But wait! Who says Murder is WRONG? Maybe murder is right, and you all just misinterpret it. Religion doesn't matter either, you can be a jesus freak and be against abortion, whoo, go you. You could be a jesus freak and enjoy abortions.
There is no religious stance, its still taking someone's life. I mean, I don't care if someone gets an abortion, if its a situation that they're too young to have a child without dying, then okay I can see that, but if its Tuesday, and someone decides, "Wow! I'm horny and I don't give a fuck, lets go get wasted and slammed without protection" Fuck them, let them have the child and let them give up for adoption to someone who's going to love and appreciate the child and bring them into a good home.
A friend of mine is a child of a rape, who's mother gave him up, and he was raised without any idea who his mother and father were, other than the fact that his mother was raped and he was the child. He's leading a happy and meaningful life now, what if he goes on and finds the cure for cancer, or something? If he was aborted, I might not be alive at the moment, and who knows how fucked up the world would be then.
In the long run, I've come up with the independant, approach of, okay, whatever, what the fuck, let people do what they want, but in most situations, the government should only step in to comfort and console, and maybe intervene to see if the child is being born into a good situation. We need a "FUCKING" License. If we need a stupid ass license to drive, then we need a license to screw around. In both cases, the reason behind both licenses would be to teach us not how to kill someone or fuck up someone's life. Sure, thats unreasonable, meant for humor, but it makes sense! o.-
I don't care if you aren't against it, just as long you realize both sides. Thats why this Debate thread is just going to be pointless anyway.
No one is ever going to change their fucking mind frame, just going to be a lot of "Thats right! Thats wrong!" Just like the war in Iraq, I talked to a soldier and he's all "GO BUSH! WOOHOO! GO WAR! WOOHOO!" Then I asked him why we went to war, "Because a tyrant was blowing up his own people" Okay, thats wonderful, but what about the fucking planes that crashed into OUR buildings, killing OUR innocent people. I don't want to live in a country that fucks with everyone else, screws over its citizens, and doesn't even protect itself! WHAT THE FUCK. Then when we went there, we knew they didn't have any weapons. Bush's administation had little drawings of what the weapons might look like, and tried to pass that as proof at the UN, and everyone disagreed with the act, but we did it anyway. What the fuck?
When we had the Cuban Missle crisis, our president, (Kennedy I believe) had freaking pictures of the missles from planes, and agents. Came to the UN, showed everyone, basically said a long ass 2 hour version of "WHAT THE FUCK" and then everyone aggreed and helped us with the situation. People know this, and they still give a shit, same stuff going on here. People can know the situation, can hear how horrible and unhumane it is, and support it anyway.
And for the new question? I have no idea what the fuck you're getting at, but the government shouldn't decide how someone lives their life, everyone just needs to leave everyone else the fuck alone, and everyone needs to be their self, and believe in their own things, and we won't have a problem, because I wear to god, if someone comes around, takes power, and tells everyone to ALL DO AND BELIEVE IN THE SAME THING, WHOO! and turns the masses into a bunch of brain-dead jesus freaks.. I'm strapping C-4 to my chest, running around the white house lawn, naked and screaming, and busting shot at it.
What the hell? What Society needs protection? Do you mean a governemnt, or someone's own little clan or beliefs? Every person should have their own rights and be treated the same. Who the fuck, gives a flying fuck, about the fucking government? We're all born on the same Earth, we all use its generous offering of food, water, and life. So do we really need a fucking nation to tell us what's most important? FUCK WAR. Everyone should find their soul mate and doing nothing but FUCK, ALL, DAY, LONG. Then maybe read a pleasant book, have a good dinner, cuddle on the couch for a good week .. and then FUCK, ALL, DAY, LONG. Why don't we have a higher power that encourages people to find their own happiness? OH SHIT SON WE DID ABOUT 200 years ago! The right to have the persuit of your own happiness, no? Then we can take that lil rule, walk up to the president, say politely "Fuck you sir, and fuck your war" Spit in his face, then go home, have a frickin microwaved taco, sit in your underwear and watch Looney tunes, and then cuddle! =^.^=-
If that answered your question, YAY If not, well then shit, I'm confused, but thats still my own wonderful personal opinion. GOOD DAY SIR!
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Post by Gox on Jun 13, 2005 22:01:15 GMT -5
Amen^ lol. Nicely said. As for your stance on abortion, I do see your point how the child can still live a good life...and I hope that the "rinse and repeat" aborters get the hell they deserve. Still though, I think it should be kept an option for desperate times. If you think it's wrong, don't get an abortion (lol, not necessarily directed to Eric) and encourage others not to get one...but don't make it a legal issue. I thought you didn't like goverment interference And for the new topic...yeah, what Eric said.
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Post by meditative forgot to log on on Jun 14, 2005 1:29:31 GMT -5
ok, i have two things to discuss. first, i see a few logical holes in faygo's response. the new question was ment to decide if people cared about themselves, which as you mentioned in your statement about the war in iraq, is clearly the logical train of thought. sometimes the word society is tossed around as an arbritrary term for the "masses". wondering if there were any fools that could even come up with a reason that the "masses" could demand rights from an individual person. thank god that you have more sense than that. i was in no way even beggining to purport governmental dictatorial communism. never accuse me of that again. some of my questions dont make sense. i realized that after you pointed it out. thank you. however, i for one dissagree about the government stepping in over abortion. the goverment is a beaurocracy that has little moral right other than that the infringement on the freedom of others in general is a crime. it has no right to step in on an issue of humanity, in my opinion, because if it did so it would grant it the power of deciding what the humanities are. this is wrong because it infringes on the rights and freedoms of the public that dissagree with the government's humanities; and this is in the constitution. a sex license would be impractical. a drivers license is perfectly practical. people would have sex anyway. there would be no acceptable way to enforce the law without public uprising against it. and who is to judge who gets the license and who doesnt? it is another step to over government control. A friend of mine is a child of a rape, who's mother gave him up, and he was raised without any idea who his mother and father were, other than the fact that his mother was raped and he was the child. He's leading a happy and meaningful life now, what if he goes on and finds the cure for cancer, or something? If he was aborted, I might not be alive at the moment, and who knows how f**ked up the world would be then. -quote from faygo if he was aborted, then someone else would do it. he would be dead. the world would be no more fucked up because he was dead because it would be a world not consious of his non existence. it would work on a new set of fates, because he would never have been purposed to have a cure for cancer. that world would not be consious of his death and, even if he was in a loving biological family, he may not find a cure for cancer anyway. it is enviromentally based. What the hell? What Society needs protection? Do you mean a governemnt, or someone's own little clan or beliefs? Every person should have their own rights and be treated the same. Who the f**k, gives a flying f**k, about the f**king government? We're all born on the same Earth, we all use its generous offering of food, water, and life. So do we really need a f**king nation to tell us what's most important? f**k WAR. Everyone should find their soul mate and doing nothing but f**k, ALL, DAY, LONG. Then maybe read a pleasant book, have a good dinner, cuddle on the couch for a good week .. and then f**k, ALL, DAY, LONG. Why don't we have a higher power that encourages people to find their own happiness? OH poo SON WE DID ABOUT 200 years ago! The right to have the persuit of your own happiness, no? Then we can take that lil rule, walk up to the president, say politely "f**k you sir, and f**k your war" Spit in his face, then go home, have a frickin microwaved taco, sit in your underwear and watch Looney tunes, and then cuddle! =^.^=- that is the most beautiful thing i have heard from a human mouth in at least a few years.
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Post by DocZeroRX on Jun 14, 2005 7:34:07 GMT -5
...wow peeps. So deep. So awesome. Uhm....if this descustion is finished, I'd like to start a new debate. Now uh...why do they keep mocking that poor person? I mean, can't they just give that rabbit the trix? He just wants come cereal. Those lil brat kids are so cruel to him. Just kidding. Recently I've read in the newspaper that when convicts are released out of jail, they no longer have the rights to vote as well as a whole other bunch of privliges. I personally think they should be able to have their rights because taking away their rights is like taking away their freedom.
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Post by Colloff on Jun 14, 2005 20:58:29 GMT -5
i never got that. i dont see why they shouldnt be allowed to vote...
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Post by Nadie on Jun 14, 2005 21:16:31 GMT -5
First of all. The reason its wrong to have an abortion is because its killing something with a pulse...GOOD DAY SIR! *cries* that was beautiful... ;D As for "making fun of the poor man" idea, poor men should have sympathy (unless they messed their education). Convicts, on the other hand, should have their "freedoms" taken away. They screwed up their lives, they have to deal with the consequences. As for trix: I laugh mockingly at a lame commercial for rainbow colored glue that's not even edible, so its a lame cause that won't work. I actually had SERIOUS ppl come up to me to sign petitions ( ) and I laughed...hard...very hard.
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Post by Gox on Jun 14, 2005 21:19:22 GMT -5
Yeah well...I guess the time they spent in jail was also taking away from there freedom....We better get rid of that punishment too. Actually, I don't have much of a stance either way on this issue. All I know is I need to get some freakin sleep tonight ^0^
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Post by Faygo on Jun 14, 2005 21:56:54 GMT -5
Excuse me, I just had another "What the Fuck Moment", I gave you guys a looooong ass post about my views on things, I 1 real response and a half, and now we're talking about the Trix Rabbit?
Oh, and the whole convicts not voting thing.. Well, I don't know .. thats .. really .. not very.. interesting?
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Post by Colloff on Jun 15, 2005 8:34:35 GMT -5
well i think we can call this dead...
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Post by Gox on Jun 15, 2005 10:49:00 GMT -5
Excuse me, I just had another "What the f**k Moment", I gave you guys a looooong ass post about my views on things, I 1 real response and a half, and now we're talking about the Trix Rabbit?
Oh, and the whole convicts not voting thing.. Well, I don't know .. thats .. really .. not very.. interesting?Don't think that we (or at least I) was ignorant to your last post. Pretty interesting to read (and funny) I thought. ANYWAY...before this thread dies, lemme start on at least one topic that probably effects us the most. ~~COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS~~ How far should the laws go to protect work? Where is the line drawn between legal and illegal? For reference, here's a bunch of the ways the current laws can be violated (to my knowledge) - Distributing freely - Distributing for money - Distributing in very small private isolations. - Downloading works which are sold in the US. - Downloading works that are only sold in other countries. - Making a copy of a dvd. (There might be others I'm forgetting) Obviously, most of these laws have to exist whether we like them or not. If this stuff was legal, EVERYONE would do it. One part of it that bothers me though is not being able to download audio/video that is unavilible to us and only distributed in other countries (Naruto...until soon). No one loses money. People are happy. Perhaps I'm seeing this ignorantly, but I believe it's right. Also, making a copy of a cd/dvd. Actually, cd backups might be legal (I can't quite remember), but I know there are special measures taken to try and keep dvds from being ripped. We payed for it, but we only get to keep it until it gets scratched or damaged? That's kinda ghey. Not all dvd rips get distributed. Some people may edit or arrange the footage for personal use or educational practice. (Ie: Music videos, Dubs)
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Post by meditative on Jun 15, 2005 17:07:06 GMT -5
i think that before we get too into this topic, we need to dismiss all second handed "i heard its this way" facts. cd and dvd backups are legal. selling them is not. filesharing copyrighted material is not illegal, but the music companies and hollywood take matters into thier own hands by sueing those who do it. the government has no real stance, so the conglamerates have to bring you to trial.
on an interesting note, there is a really, really good dvd format coming out soon called HDDVD. it will be vastly more compact because the wavelength of the optical laser is the smallest possible, and the rings of dvd crystal are merged.this will be the best possible optical disc. however, hollywood is taking steps that it is impossible to rip these discs
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Post by Nadie on Jun 15, 2005 17:45:30 GMT -5
a simple note: dont buy off the street DVDs, they are empty no matter what they say. ITS FLIPPIN EMPTY...
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Post by Colloff on Jun 15, 2005 20:16:55 GMT -5
okay...heres the deal...copyrights...i like bootleg materials...blow me
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Post by nadie on Jun 17, 2005 21:36:19 GMT -5
i think that before we get too into this topic, we need to dismiss all second handed "i heard its this way" facts. cd and dvd backups are legal. selling them is not. filesharing copyrighted material is not illegal, but the music companies and hollywood take matters into thier own hands by sueing those who do it. the government has no real stance, so the conglamerates have to bring you to trial. back when napster was being sued (i didn't hear alot about it, im naive, not ignorant) all of the music files the put online weren't copyrighted, correct?
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